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FooserX  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 7:48:38 PM(UTC)
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There's a lot of tutorials on the web on how to execute, but there's nothing on how to plan out a "series" in foosball. This is talking about the mental side of the 5 bar war, and how to create a dominating 5 row.



I also did a write up/script for the video, as I did leave out a couple really important points. And sorry...not a public speaker, so forgive the pauses and tongue tied moments!


Written Tutorial:

If you want to take your 5 bar passing to the next level, you will need to develop a 5 row series. A series in foosball is a sequence of passes (or shots) that all work together. Each pass has a purpose. Each pass is playing off the previous ones.

For this tutorial, I will be using the brush series as an example.

The first thing you want to do is the back and forth set up. This is done for a few reasons:

1. It lets you read the defense. We can wait for the hole we want.

2. Tossing the ball randomly for the set up, forces you to get used to taking your time. Even if you see openings right off the bat, we want to be disciplined and not take them. The more we toss this back and forth without passing, the more we learn patience. The more we practice patience at home, the more patient we will be when the pressure is on. As we go through this tutorial, you’ll see what I mean.

3. If you’ve ever played against someone who passes or shoots on the same timing every time, you know how predictable and easy that is to block. So we want to take our time. We don’t want the defender to know when we’re passing. We want him to work for the block. We want him questioning when you will be passing. Will it be quick? Will it be later? The more we keep him guessing, the more chance he has at making a mistake…the more easily it will be to make him fall into your traps later on.

4. And most importantly, this is setting up your opponent for later down the road. This is where thinking ahead comes into play. This is where it becomes a “series.” As we progress in the video, you’ll see what I mean.

Pass 1 – Slow toss, brush up. If you make it patient, smooth and crispy, it’s going to be open, especially against players you’ve never played before. This is just your starter pass.

Pass 2 – Slow toss, bounce off the wall, brush up. This is also going to be open because you’ve already gone up once, so the defender will probably be thinking a down is next. Plus because it’s coming off the wall, it’s really natural to want to stick on the wall as a defender. And lastly, this pass is great because it’s freaking STEEP. Even if you know it might be coming, you really have to get out high in the lane, but it’s not something that’s natural to start the game.

So what have we established so far?

1. We are very patient and take our time.
2. We like the lane.

This is where the series begins to develop.

Pass 3 – Quick, high straight lane brush when it’s open. This works because we’ve just established that we like to take our time, so the defender is not really going to be buzzing around until we get to the typical brush sweet spot.

Pass 4 - Slow toss, steep brush down at the same high spot that you just did your high lane. This works because we just spent 3 passes in a row going lane, and by now, a good player would be stupid to give up another lane. He is going to make that wall nice and juicy for you. He’s practically giving you a free pass at this point just so you don’t make him look stupid with a 4th lane pass in a row.

So what have we established so far?

1. That we are very patient and take our time.
2. We are using a brush series. The stick series and brush series are completely different series, and are defended completely differently...so we’ve shown the opponent that we’re going to be using a brush series with slow hovering.

This is where our series takes the next step and starts to get fun.

Pass 5 – Hesitation fast wall pass without the slow toss set up. This is going to be huge because we’ve established that we only pass off a slow brush set up. Even when we passed high up in the lane...the toss was still slow and we went back and forth a few times. So they are going to let their guard down to wait for the brush. Let the man drag slowly with the ball, and then execute a hard wall pass. This should be unraceable, just like any other pass, but really it doesn’t need to be, because you are dictating the passes. You are in control here. You know this pass will be huge, because you’ve just spent the game teaching your opponent how to block you, but really, you’re one step ahead. Instead of waiting until 8 or 9 in the time clock, you are passing at 1 or 2. This is the part of the pass that keeps the opponent off balance.

Pass 6 – This is going back to basics, but a normal brush pass is good here. Up or down, makes no difference. Toss the ball slow, and wait for your hole. The brush series in itself is a "series". You could pass high or low, fast or slow, etc. So it’s super critical to keep with your base brushes. I’ll explain why in a sec.

Pass 7 - Second man pass to the middle man on the 3 bar if it’s open. Why does this work?

1. Because we just executed a fast wall pass recently. That pass is still in their mind.
2. Because we’ve spent the whole game passing down near the sweet spot...there is no way they will be expecting the high lane.
3. The set up for this pass is so slow, that you will have plenty of time to see if it’s going to be open.

It’s important to understand that this is an option pass. Same with the hesitation wall pass we just did. We cannot make option passes the norm. They are options because we have made them options. We have established to the opponent, basic brush passes to open up our option passes. We laid the framework for things to work. That is why they work. If you just come out of the gate using these options:

1. You have shown the defender that you are a gimmick passer, and they will start baiting you for these passes in the near future. Like, if the defender knew I liked using the hesitation wall pass a lot, he would show it to me, and bait me, and make a steal. That’s bad. We want to be in control, not them.
2. The more options you have, the more choices you have to deal with. This is NOT a good thing. When the pressure hits, you don't want to have to worry about 20 different choices to make...you just want a small handful. Ideally, you should only be using around 6 passes total all game, and then just vary the timing of them.
3. Passing with mostly options just makes you a bad foosball player - a hit and hoper, A guesser. Option passes within a series are educated guesses. Without the series, any successful passes were just luck.

Pass 8 – Middle man hack!!! What?!?!!? Lol This hack is going to come out of nowhere, and will almost always be open. Just like the other options.

Why does this work?

1. We’ve established the slow back and forth toss, and have shown no inclination to hack. This hack starts off exactly the same as the passes.
2. Because we’ve taken our time with every set up, we KNOW this hack will be open. We have spent the entire game looking at the goalie’s defense. If it’s not there, we don’t do it. Again, because this is an educated guess, we know that chances are it will be open.

There are a couple more passes I might do in this series, but I won’t go into all of them, because they are options, and I don’t want to teach you guys options. The brush series in itself is a powerful simple series without the options. The occasional option just takes your game to the next level.

I’m trying to teach you the philosophy behind what a series is. So let’s go over the main points:

1. Every possession, we want to toss the ball a few times to set up. This teaches us patience. Lets us analyze the defense, and is the set up for all of our future passes. Without the set up, we lose control of things, and give the power to the defender. Every now and then, we can pass without the back and forth toss, but only after we've established the pattern.

2. It’s important to look back and notice that all of these passes look the EXACT SAME during the initial set up phase. If any one of your passes doesn’t look like all the others, then you need to go home and practice your ass off with crazy reps to make sure it does.

3. Options are NOT the series. I can’t stress this enough. If you watch rookies and scrubs passing, you’ll see them out of control on the 5 bar...sometimes passing well, sometimes not at all. Even if they are passing good with options, it’s still bad foosball.

4. Too many options complicates the thought process. When it's crunch time, you want very simple passes to choose between. In crunch time, the mind panics and rushes...so we want to keep our series very simple. I left this part out in the video, but it's HUGE.

Hope that helps you guys understand what a “series” in foosball is. The same philosophy can be applied to the other aspects of the game, and once you start doing that, you’ll really begin to open your mind up and start winning.

X

Edited by user Sunday, August 17, 2014 5:05:14 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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777  
#2 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 9:04:12 PM(UTC)
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This tutorial is mainly for me. Thanks Scott!
bigcity  
#3 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:42:46 AM(UTC)
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This thread sucks!


JJ Scott good shit but way to long to watch more than 5 minutes. Maybe break it down into 5 minute sections and don't make us stare at that ugly tattoo cover up while being monotone. You critique everything so here is my critique.
bigcity  
#4 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:46:48 AM(UTC)
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I honestly do respect Scott's foosball knowledge, and if you understand her level verbiage than this is an excellent video!
FooserX  
#5 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 5:05:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bigcity Go to Quoted Post
This thread sucks!


JJ Scott good shit but way to long to watch more than 5 minutes. Maybe break it down into 5 minute sections and don't make us stare at that ugly tattoo cover up while being monotone. You critique everything so here is my critique.


Yeah, I agree with all points. I fell asleep in a few parts watching it myself. Sorry for rambling. I went back to do it again, and then I was like "this isn't fun anymore"...and I wasn't going to redo the whole thing. I'm sure there are lots of ways to trim it down, but that would require work. It's torture now.

It's a lot to take in for sure...but it's all necessary. Without repeating myself a lot, and taking breaks to explain each pass, I don't know if it would get some of those points across.

X

PS - that's my birthmark.

Edited by user Sunday, August 17, 2014 5:42:59 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

"When I get to the table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy. I hate them. " - John Grizzly
DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#6 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:00:59 PM(UTC)
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Good stuff X!

About a month ago I started doing a near side brush series and abandoned my far side stick for the most part. I was developing a bad habit of going into a pull kick after catching a crispy far side lane.
Switching to the near brush has stopped that from happening...well at least when passing anyway.

I think this vid will help me a ton... thanks.

TrashBrush




FooserX  
#7 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:42:07 PM(UTC)
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I think most of the players here have all the pieces to put together a great 5 row, it's just a matter of refining your series to make them all look the same...and how they work together.

"When I get to the table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy. I hate them. " - John Grizzly
Slice/  
#8 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:53:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FooserX Go to Quoted Post
I think most of the players here have all the pieces to put together a great 5 row, it's just a matter of refining your series to make them all look the same...and how they work together.



Nick you were wrong, this tutorial was not for you.
DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#9 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:56:19 PM(UTC)
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^ Witty-and mean= funny


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FooserX  
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 5:06:52 PM(UTC)
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lol @ Jim


Well I redid the video and tried to make it less rambling, and get to the points faster.

But...it came out 2 minutes more than the first. lol Ahhhh...suck Although I think the last 4 minutes are just review points, so it's still a lot more concise.

I did add in a few other important points though, but basically the same thing.

Thanks for the critique, City.

Also - I know there's a lot of rooks and beginners out there, or even AM's - so if you guys have any questions, please post them, or ask them. We also have a lot of strong players out there who will be more than happy to chime in, not just me.

X

Edited by user Sunday, August 17, 2014 5:21:57 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

"When I get to the table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy. I hate them. " - John Grizzly
bigcity  
#11 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 4:31:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FooserX Go to Quoted Post
lol @ Jim


Well I redid the video and tried to make it less rambling, and get to the points faster.

But...it came out 2 minutes more than the first. lol Ahhhh...suck Although I think the last 4 minutes are just review points, so it's still a lot more concise.

I did add in a few other important points though, but basically the same thing.

Thanks for the critique, City.

Also - I know there's a lot of rooks and beginners out there, or even AM's - so if you guys have any questions, please post them, or ask them. We also have a lot of strong players out there who will be more than happy to chime in, not just me.

X


I knew that was a birthmark was just a cheap jab. I commend you for your willingness to attempt to help the game. I thought it was a great video just could have been a 3 to 4 part series. Any time your taking your personal time to show this stuff it can't be a bad thing. I am sure plenty of foosers will have the patience to sit through it a few times and gather the info. That is the only reason why I thought it was too long. When I used to watch stuff for foos I always went over it a few times so the shorter vids sunk in a little more.

Either way Scott I do like it and respect that you took time to bless us with some knowledge, or a different perspective of the game.

Dustin Gatliff  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:56:58 AM(UTC)
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I made a video of my 4 basic options and did each three times:

A: stick wall
B: stick lane
C: hesitation wall
D: bump up lane

As early as you can, try identify if you're getting raced, chased, timed, or baited. ALWAYS use a practice toss on your first possession of a match, and if you get the ball set up early enough in your 10 seconds, do it. You're not going to lose anything by testing the water, and sitting on a ball for 5 seconds with this kind of series feels like an eternity.

If you're getting raced, stick with 90% A and B. When practiced up, this series is crispy enough to win a lot more races than it loses. Every now and then (10%ish) throw in an option pass (tic tac wall, bounce lane, 2nd man out, chip up, etc) to give the defense some 'probably not, but maybe' and this can put a racing defense in no man's land more often than people realize.

If you're getting chased (defense jumps to a hole when they see a pronounced motion), eat it up with about 80% C and D until they learn that they're not going to win by guessing 'this motion equals this pass'.

If you're being timed with a defense that commits to a hole, leaves it for some time, and commits to another hole for a while, stick with exclusively A and B. Know exactly how long it takes you from the moment when you decide your hole to when the ball is going under their rod and pop the option when it's time.

If you're being baited or you know your opponent is aware of which option you prefer, find out which hole they want to take away more. Do practice tosses with different tempos until you know what it takes to get them off of that hole. If they want to take away the wall more, use B primarily with using that toss for C. If they're taking the lane away more, use A with that toss for D.

And if they're frantically shaking everywhere, that means they're not on the wall. If you go wall and get blocked, you're getting chased. And TAKE YOUR TIME. Not only will an opponent get tired as a match progresses, With the ball at a dead stop, detecting a jar or a reset is a no-brainer, and the super shaky defenses will usually move the ball enough for you to get a reset call.

If you're getting blocked more than 70% of the time, you're either executing too slow or you're reading the D completely wrong. If it's the first scenario, just practice more until it's crispy. If it's the second and you can't figure out what you're seeing on the D, just guess. They're either tight against the wall or they're not. Stop looking at the D, pick a time and a hole, and go.

This post was a lot longer than I originally intended. In my opinion, those 4 options and 5 reads are enough to put together a complete stopped ball stick series on the 5.

I recorded this at 60fps, and since Youtube/Vimeo ruin both the framerate and the picture quality, I'm posting it as a direct link on Google Drive. If anyone has problems downloading it, PM me or message me on Facebook and we'll figure it out.

Link (download the file and use VLC or Windows Media Player for best quality): https://drive.google.com...WW9XWnM/edit?usp=sharing

Edited by user Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:58:13 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:05:19 PM(UTC)
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Good stuff Dustin!


Trashy
FooserX  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:35:05 PM(UTC)
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What's the difference between raced and chased? Seems like the same thing to me.

Good write up - although I dunno about the guessing part. I would think the goal is to beat the defense, and understand what needs to be done to beat it.

Example:

Sticky or Spear. Super simple series, and they have seen all kinds of defenses, and I'm pretty sure they are never guessing. They could be, but their percentages are just too high to think they are. They know from experience how to break down the D.

X

PS - lol @ the frame rate - that's awesome. Superbeast 5!
"When I get to the table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy. I hate them. " - John Grizzly
Slice/  
#15 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:06:56 AM(UTC)
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Effin Jedi wannabe rambling posters!

My five bar:

1). Jedi's Posts

2). Speed of Light

3). $$$$$$$$$$

That is all.
jediR.O.T.N.  
#16 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2014 12:48:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
Effin Jedi wannabe rambling posters!

My five bar:

1). Jedi's Posts

2). Speed of Light

3). $$$$$$$$$$

That is all.




Hmmm, I looked at this post for quite awhile, and Im still not sure exactly what the just of it is?

But no matter, its half good, half bad!

Well....... heres alittle jedi post from the real jedi.

What I see here for the most part is a reproduction of a players 5row game that is explained in video and broken down explaining what they already have established from, and in their own active mind game on the table.

I just dont see someone else being able to step up to a table, and do a show and tell about some other players 5row, or any other part of their game for that matter. Players teach what they themselves can only do.

Now, dont get me wrong here, im not knocking any players ideas in their attempts to explain what they themselves see as an established strategical guide on how they look for and how they see things on the table..I mean, it sort of lets the cat out of the grocery bag, and gives others the heads up on the secret sauce of ones game...

In my early years learning this game, trying to find a high rank player to give you pro tips, was like nonexistent, higher rank players didnt give out lessons to others, mainly because players didnt want or like the idea of giving tips to those that they may have to play later, useing their pro tips against them in a match... after all, the last thing I want to do, is to show a player how to block my Euro, or to give them my secret formula for freestyle, just to use it against me..

But if I was to give light on the workings of my five, I would have to start from what the table gives as a foundation itself, and not a portioned segment of someone else's preferences of what they think is a set rule of thumb, or what they beleave is a series, when passing or shooting. after all, I discovered early that there is an exception to every set series in the game. I guess the first rule of any set series, is first being able to just execute any standard pass, if one can't connect the given pass they intend to do, well then a series become's worthless in structure, if they cant connect, same goes for offensive 3, or anywhere else on the table for that matter.

There is an exception to everything in the game!



Master jediR.O.T.N.teacher
an exception to the standard set up rule of the game...



Foosball,the #1 brutal & corrupted game of rank on earth,
ruled & Controlled on & off the table.
Slice/  
#17 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2014 1:36:39 PM(UTC)
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1). Unreadable

2). Unraceable

3). Money

That is all.
777  
#18 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2014 1:50:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
1). Unreadable

2). Unraceable

3). Money

That is all.


That first part is pretty much the just of it.
Boogie  
#19 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2014 1:55:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
1). Unreadable

2). Unraceable

3). Money

That is all.


LMMFAO. 24 "carrot" gold. That's the just of it.

When you said "that is all" its like I heard the Merrie melodies song playing in my head, when the cartoon is finished....

Edited by user Friday, August 29, 2014 1:57:30 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

777  
#20 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2014 2:55:21 PM(UTC)
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