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DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#21 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 5:28:08 PM(UTC)
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Damn people my question was simple...can the ball be pinched against the wall after two walls were used and then call timeout on the 5 row.

X, If 10 bumps off the wall on the 2 to 5 bother you, you might want to take up sewing. ;)


Trashylimitlesswallbounces
Old Sweater  
#22 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 6:32:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
Dream Weaver!

Foosball has no large fan base outside of foosball. Changing world, no going back. If it wasn't for boring things like the rollover foos would have less than half of what they do now.

My favorite plane of all time is the P-51 Mustang. Why don't they bring that back into service? More people would join the Air Force I'm sure!


That's an oxymoron of a reply. New shot good, old plane bad.

And there is good reason there is no fan base. I think it was Flair who tried the MMA atmosphere with streamed events. IMO, it failed because he kept the same format, that only players had interest in. The only thing that was MMA, was the website.

For years I've seen threads about increasing the player base and getting sponsors. It should be increasing fan base, then sponsors may kick in. Make the game more dynamic and TV could give it a shot.

And how do you know change wouldn't be good? Nothing has been tried. Objective= foosball is dying, subjective= change wouldn't do it no good, says the backer of the rollover & forward pass.

Hell, even a dying horse deserves an attempted cure that may work.
Old Sweater  
#23 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 6:54:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FooserX Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
When has more added offense killed demand for any game or sport?


This is like Japanese baseball where players just keep going up to the plate slapping at the ball hoping to get singles vs. American Home Run hitters. Which is more fun to watch?

There's nothing fun about watching someone use 10 walls in a 2-5 series over 14 seconds. There's NO offense in there vs. a 2 bar bomb.

I'm not saying take out the 2-5, just give it the same rules as the 5-3. You have 5 more seconds with the 2-5 pass, and less men to pass through. It's rediculous.

Like Jim said - no rule change is going to bring in more players.

X


I sweat foos, you don't. Says it bores you.

Nippon slugs within .020 of MLB but I get your point. I prefer long ball but I also remember you prefer small ball more then me. A combo of both increases demand, IMO.
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#24 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 6:58:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
Nippon slugs within .020 of MLB but I get your point. I prefer long ball but I also remember you prefer small ball more then me. A combo of both increases demand, IMO.


You know I prefer small ball? lol Where are you coming up with this? I'm about ready to throw your posts into the "never read pile" along with Jedi's.

X
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Slice/  
#25 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 7:09:57 PM(UTC)
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Get out of the 70's Walter and stop reading things with your Jedi colored glasses. There isn't a substantial foos fan base nor will there be with whatever changes you come up with short of players MMA fighting in the middle of a match. Foosball has passed it's prime for some time now. Xbox and Play Station rule the roost. Kids are not brought up in a foos society. There are not foos tables in arcades like when we were kids. Look at any restaurant/bar with a foosball table in it and see how often it is played by non-foosers. There is a pizza restaurant in my neighborhood , Illegal Pizza formerly Pizza Public, that had a foosball table. Nobody played on it when I was there months ago and it is gone now. There another restaurant that I went to months ago Lo Hi Steak House, that had a foosball table in it that nobody played on while I was there. Who knows if it is there now. Patrick Carrols, an Irish Pub in my hood, took out the table that was in there some time ago.
The rollover is something that non-foosers I have played against over the last couple of years have thought was cool, but foosball was still not a game they wanted to take up seriously. Reality my friend.
Old Sweater  
#26 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:15:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FooserX Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
Nippon slugs within .020 of MLB but I get your point. I prefer long ball but I also remember you prefer small ball more then me. A combo of both increases demand, IMO.


You know I prefer small ball? lol Where are you coming up with this? I'm about ready to throw your posts into the "never read pile" along with Jedi's.

X


I said you prefer it over me. I remember you harping about a guy not bunting on the Texas board a couple of times. There is very few times I don't cringe when the Rockies sacrifice an out to advance a runner 1 base. To many fans relate their LL days to top level when it comes to bunting. For MLB, a runner on 1st with no outs has a .887 chance of scoring, a runner on 2nd with 1 out has a .639 chance of scoring. So even with a successful bunt, you lose .184 of a expected run. Botch the bunt and you lose .255 of an expected run, based on a 17 year MLB sample.

That is why I prefer long ball. What is your reason and why did you want that guy to bunt on the Texas board?

Made sure my posts don't land on some of your IMO player analogies I already got laying there. The Jedi's is at the bottom of the heap.
Old Sweater  
#27 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:36:40 PM(UTC)
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Jim, your IMO is based purely on assumption since nothing has ever been tried to change the format of the game. The game of foos was brought to America by means of rehab for American soldiers. It was meant to be dynamic. Since it was new the game became a trendy rage, then TS involved big money. The main way to cheat a dynamic game down is to apply static to it and this is what the percentage players did, to get the money. Now, could be to late, but I'll always wonder how the game today would be if it was more dynamic like it was intended to be. Players for the players sure hasn't worked with a rule book way to thick.

I sure would watch a more dynamic format at state if they had one. And I don't mean a novelty event. I'd want to watch the top players play for a purse that was equal to OS. IMHO, some promoter should try it. Look at the success TSKB, had with the King of the Ring.

Edit: I'd like to add that Flair has tried to help the game and look at all the negative crap he gets. Plus the guy has a sincere love of the game IMO. A different table becomes a push after a certain amount of time, same goes for the rollover.

Edited by user Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:46:24 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Slice/  
#28 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:15:55 PM(UTC)
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Sweater, you are into foosball and your ideas may work for foosers. The general public has passed the game by as a fad of the 70's. Sponsors want to spend there dollars to attract millions, not hundreds, or single digit thousands. If I remember correctly, I think a recent World Cup Foosball tourney in Europe may have had 4000 fans and foosers. What major sponsor is going to throw major money at that, even though it's large from a foosball stand point.
Flair loves his idea of the game. Good for him, but bad from a businessman's point of view. You can't have a professional tourney on a bargain built table and also alienate over 60% of your customers. Sure he's done well for himself with 750,000 Warrior Golf customers worldwide, but in the big picture of golf where there are over 26 million golfers in the US alone, it's small potatoes. Hopefully he keeps throwing in his own cash into the pot at his tourneys otherwise he will have even weaker turnouts. Not slamming the man, just stating the facts.
777  
#29 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:35:21 PM(UTC)
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The only people who enjoy watching foosball are foosers. It is not a spectator sport...I don't care if you're doing 5-bar aerials...It's not a spectator sport. Forget about sponsors, etc. The point is to bring in new talent, without limiting the game to bars. The only way I'm putting a table in my establishment (bowling alley, fun city, dave & buster's, student union), is if I know there will be people playing on it. The way I make this happen is to get myself and 3 of my fooser friends to play at strategic times...try to gather a few onlookers...then pass on some knowledge...then encourage them to show up for a larger event. I guess this is what Davin does. I'm guessing he shows up at the Attic on other occasions to stoke the foos fire a bit. I don't know for sure. This is what I try to do at my work place, though it can be hard to coordinate 15 minute breaks into foos development. It's a slow process, but I have a few people I'm working with.
DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#30 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:45:13 PM(UTC)
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Slice/  
#31 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2013 5:52:22 PM(UTC)
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^

LMAO! Man we are going old school now!

Btw, get off our thread.
777  
#32 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:12:41 PM(UTC)
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Old Sweater  
#33 Posted : Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:44:32 PM(UTC)
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There is good reason only foosers watch foosball. Not one thing has been done to make it more appealing to a fan. Like I've said a million times, 99.999999% of the world think its a dynamic game. The other 0.000001% play the cheated down static version. Seems like no governing body of foos has caught on to this.

This Friday at BC's is a BYB(bring your beginner) and the format is 1-ball rollerball. The beginners will man the front handles. The fan will go crazy, attendance will double!

Trashy, please stay off topic!
jediR.O.T.N.  
#34 Posted : Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:25:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DJ Trash-O-Matic Go to Quoted Post
Any Refs that can answer this?
If the ball is on the 5, and you've already used your two bounces off the wall, can you trap the ball on the wall before it bounces off and call a timeout?

Basically the ball gets past the point of getting your player figure around to the wall before you run out of space.

Trashy2BouncesAndTrap



I may not be a legit Ref. But I intend to be one soon. Ive been led and its my understanding by what ive seen and what goes on in matches.

If the ball bounces the third time, you can do 1of 4 options.

1) execute a bounce off pass of any kind, square off, angle, useing chip or brush directly after the third wall.

2) execute a square off wall on the third wall.
Or
Angle to the man and wall.

3) trap it to the wall before it bounces a third time, then hit it into the defensive 5th man to get the ball back, or not
Or
Pass it back along the wall to your goalie rods.
Or
Pass it back on the 3rd bounce

Here Trashy, this is what your looking for!

4 ) just trap it to the wall and call time out. SO YES I WOULD RULE YOU CAN CALL (T.O.) as long as the ball dont leave the side strip, which at that point you cant do a wall trap. Because that would be 4 walls.

So if you still maintain possession of the ball after a 3rd bounce, like pinning a catch on the ball.
Or
Stalling the ball and doing nothing with it as it bounce travel's across the 5 rod line. Then a 3 wall penalty call is in effect and is a valid call.



Jedi








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777  
#35 Posted : Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:12:57 PM(UTC)
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I'm lost.
coloradorules  
#36 Posted : Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:30:52 PM(UTC)
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When Foosball was in it's hayday(70's) There was lots of MONEY in Foosball.

To say any one persons game is static is ,imo, very distorted. Thats why were all individuals and I certainly am not going to play like the next guy, identically anyway.

I understand the fast paced game and the ( static ) game, the precision game is a great game plan as well as a moving or non set game plan..

To say one is better or more exciting is each individuals right.

IMO, whatever wins and works for each individual is what that perrson should practice.

Question? How do you perfect and practice a moving style of play by yourself? In a tournament setting I see it cause defenses change and shift with emotions tenseness, big and little poins and so on.

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Old Sweater  
#37 Posted : Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:38:41 PM(UTC)
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You're a good player though Roger. You know what goes into the game. Now the main intent for the patrons of a bar is to party, but I've noticed thru the years that they'll stop and watch a ball or two played, then move on. My main point is a faster style has never been tried with a pay matching OS or OD, or each ranks top pay. IMO, the precision won't be the same but besides the players, no one else would notice. Also IMO, after a set period of time, the world beaters would be the same players. Spree beats most Pros one handed that he matches up with.
FooserX  
#38 Posted : Friday, December 27, 2013 12:02:58 AM(UTC)
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I don't get what you're posting about Walter.

Winning foosball is playing the percentages. Brush/stick and roller/pull.

The fast paced, "fun to watch" style of play is low percentage foosball. It's spending more concentration on ball control instead of analyzing the defense and working a series. There's a certain free style gunslinger mindset that goes with fast paced style, and it doesn't mesh well with the methodical chess style that foos is all about.

You're wanting players who spend their careers practicing winning foosball, to play losing foosball just for the sake of spectating? Why on earth would anyone want to do that?

Perfect practice makes perfect. To practice anything other than proven winning foosball would be a detriment to one's game.

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Old Sweater  
#39 Posted : Friday, December 27, 2013 12:27:13 AM(UTC)
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For a growing fan & player base that could lead to more money for players. A faster style has never been tried. One different format sure wouldn't hurt. Look at the rage demand MMA has over Boxing for the younger fans. All I know for sure is that tour/local foosball is dying out without 1 local/tour promoter not trying something different. I ain't talking a complete rebuild, just one game with a different format where the static/percentage isn't used. Pool is as static as it gets but at least they have different games. Foosball= race to 5/2outta3 most of the time. I know what goes into tourney foos but I'd sure like a different format to watch.

I think it was Jerry Todd who told me the Italians have a format close to 1-ball rollerball.

Edited by user Friday, December 27, 2013 12:29:42 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Old Sweater  
#40 Posted : Friday, December 27, 2013 12:33:42 AM(UTC)
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The fast paced, "fun to watch" style of play is low percentage foosball.



That is what I'm talking about. The fun to watch part. I'm a fan.
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