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todoubled73  
#1 Posted : Sunday, April 3, 2016 6:01:29 PM(UTC)
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Can I get opinions on this matter?

I came from Mississippi as many of you know. In Mississippi we had our own points system. Back then ustsa was the pro points system. But they quickly realized not everyone could go on tour whether family life, work, or money was the issue. So they adapted the same system but applied it to local tournaments.

What was accomplished by this was a points system that more closely ranked a player. This sparked interest for a player to be able to see accomplishments moving up rank locally. This also balanced out the tournaments. We all know that the local scene here has beginners who should be ranked higher. Example: beginner ranked Zach Pearson. Lol. Sorry Zach. But without traveling out of state he will stay a beginner for some time. This local points system would allow him to climb in rank locally but will not affect his ifp points.

It would give local players the drive seeing that they could climb for bragging rights. We would be able to ,once established, have different formats for tournaments, such as, amateur tournaments. More motivation equals more players. We have alot of players in the Monday night rookie dyp that simply accept that they will not be ranked higher cause they don't tour. They are all getting better but have no motivation to go to the next level.

I know some of you are thinking what will this do for me? I am a higher ranked player and this doesn't help me at all. Wrong! By bringing in new players and having them to be able to move up in rank will not only give you better competition in the long run but obviously more money in the kitty also. And if you are not looking for more and better competition then maybe this thread isn't for you.

How would we do this? There are several ways. CJ brought up to me last night there is a website you can log everything into and it will have a multitude of stats and ranking automatically. I'm sure this would cost money but I will check into it. I have run a points system myself back in the day and I am willing to keep up with it on my own dime.

I would simply need to know the results of each match in Colorado tournaments. Once the ball is rolling and points are more reflective of the players abilities then it will be the tournament directors of each site to determine if they just want open tournaments or divisions. They also choose whether the tourney is ifp points or local points. As you can see this will provide many possibilities for different tournaments to be ran.

These are some of my thoughts. I'm gonna hush for now but please leave any opions or suggestions anyone might have on this subject.

Thx,

Todd
FooserX  
#2 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 1:51:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: todoubled73 Go to Quoted Post
We all know that the local scene here has beginners who should be ranked higher. Example: beginner ranked Zach Pearson. Lol. Sorry Zach. But without traveling out of state he will stay a beginner for some time. This local points system would allow him to climb in rank locally but will not affect his ifp points.

It would give local players the drive seeing that they could climb for bragging rights. We would be able to ,once established, have different formats for tournaments, such as, amateur tournaments. More motivation equals more players. We have alot of players in the Monday night rookie dyp that simply accept that they will not be ranked higher cause they don't tour. They are all getting better but have no motivation to go to the next level.

I know some of you are thinking what will this do for me? I am a higher ranked player and this doesn't help me at all. Wrong! By bringing in new players and having them to be able to move up in rank will not only give you better competition in the long run but obviously more money in the kitty also.



I have no idea what you're trying to say here, Todd.

Zach's a rookie. So is Joey...so is Josh...Austin...Steve...etc...do you want to bump them all up so they can't play in the rookie only DYP?

That's pretty much the only thing that would change.

How do the rookies benefit if you ban the good players from that tournament? It certainly doesn't impact anyone else.

X

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todoubled73  
#3 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 3:02:05 AM(UTC)
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That certainly isn't where I was going with that. I'm thinking more along the lines of a system that isn't based off of only tour events. Not as a replacement for tour points but a local supplement and something that a player not able to tour could work towards.

Myself with the demands of work I am hoping to play nationals but realistically only state this year. My daughter has softball nationals same week. In fact she plays 14 tournaments this year so out of state events are not an option.

I've seen this work before. So I thought I would throw it out there.
Carter  
#4 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 3:29:26 AM(UTC)
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Before the net, regional TD's would send out monthly fliers with points for players that participated in their region. In reality, it was a separate and more accurate rating system for local players. I started playing in Mobile, AL, in the late 80's and have some of those old fliers from various southern TD's from LA, MS, AL, OK, and GA with each having their own unique rating system that they used for their own tournaments. It does work and motivates local players to do better and see themselves and friends progress. Also, new players feel like they are part of a much larger group, rather then just their tourney. Unfortunately, I am not smart enough to figure out to share pictures on these old fliers on this forum.
todoubled73  
#5 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 3:38:53 AM(UTC)
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That's what I'm talking about. I played in Jackson mississippi I late 80s and early 90s.
FooserX  
#6 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 4:25:36 PM(UTC)
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I guess I still don't see the point. None of those players there are above Amateur...and none of those players have won Rookie anything, despite a few years of playing now.

We don't have enough foosball going on to justify the effort in moving 2 or 3 players around just so they don't keep winning the rookie only tourney.

If they weren't there to smack around the super scrubs at the Balloon Inn...then there REALLY wouldn't be any improvement happening there, and that tourney would die.

X



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BigBaller  
#7 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 5:12:26 PM(UTC)
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Quote:
Zach's a rookie. So is Joey...so is Josh...Austin...Steve...etc...do you want to bump them all up so they can't play in the rookie only DYP?


Lmao get out of my bracket your to good!
DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#8 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 5:33:39 PM(UTC)
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Maybe the best way to test what level a player is at might be this test.?

In a best of 3, a player that beats Nick in a real close meatnut match, that player would be considered a Beginner.

In a best of 3, a player that beats Nick by 2 in the 3rd game would be considered a Rookie.

In a best of 3, a player that beats Nick 2 straight games 5-4,5-4 - that player is an Am.

In a best of 3, a player that beats Nick 2 straight games 5-1, 5-1 - that player is an Expert.

In a best of 3, a player that beats Nick 2 quick 5-0 5-0 - that player is a Pro

In a best of 3, a player who...awe screw it who am I kidding? A Master just goes an signs their card w/out playing, while Nick gets that player a beer!

ProblemSolvedTrashy

AKPV22  
#9 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 6:25:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FooserX Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: todoubled73 Go to Quoted Post
We all know that the local scene here has beginners who should be ranked higher. Example: beginner ranked Zach Pearson. Lol. Sorry Zach. But without traveling out of state he will stay a beginner for some time. This local points system would allow him to climb in rank locally but will not affect his ifp points.

It would give local players the drive seeing that they could climb for bragging rights. We would be able to ,once established, have different formats for tournaments, such as, amateur tournaments. More motivation equals more players. We have alot of players in the Monday night rookie dyp that simply accept that they will not be ranked higher cause they don't tour. They are all getting better but have no motivation to go to the next level.

I know some of you are thinking what will this do for me? I am a higher ranked player and this doesn't help me at all. Wrong! By bringing in new players and having them to be able to move up in rank will not only give you better competition in the long run but obviously more money in the kitty also.



I have no idea what you're trying to say here, Todd.

Zach's a rookie. So is Joey...so is Josh...Austin...Steve...etc...do you want to bump them all up so they can't play in the rookie only DYP?

That's pretty much the only thing that would change.

How do the rookies benefit if you ban the good players from that tournament? It certainly doesn't impact anyone else.

X





I am an am FYI

Still play like a rook though.

IstillsuckAK

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Slice/  
#10 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 6:47:21 PM(UTC)
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Davin will suck you if you are tired of sucking yourself AK.
SC-Jo-------weeeeeeee  
#11 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 8:25:52 PM(UTC)
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Im not sure the overall goal was to move players around as much as to promote and "motivate" newer players more in the foosball scene.

My two cents are this:

1. Todd is offering to keep this up on his own
------if TDs will snap pictures of the bracket at the end of the night would be all he needs
2. They do this local points system almost everywhere but CO (naive non fact but in charlotte they do)
------it works plain and simple (I was still not rated above am out there either)
3. Do we need this here in CO???

If we want more diverse tourneys like 2500 limited, BYP divided into A/B teams defining a cutoff point value and having A players and B players.

Like todd said for those who dont tour it becomes motivating to get better (despite personal goals) it puts on paper their improvements or decline.....hah

However, I also agree with scott too
777  
#12 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 9:43:21 PM(UTC)
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Trashy, I appreciate the time and hard work you devoted to trashing me. Well done!

My 2 cents...I can gauge my progress by seeing how much success I have with my 5 bar, 3 bar, blocks, clears, etc against various opponents. For instance, if Joey is getting more possessions than me, then I know I need to work a lot harder on my 5...or kill myself.
Dubs  
#13 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 9:46:33 PM(UTC)
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It is kind of nice to be able to seed the Bring. Like Joey said; Todd is gonna do it all himself, all the TDs have to do is post the full bracket/results.
todoubled73  
#14 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 10:05:48 PM(UTC)
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Wow X. Once again this has nothing to do with rookie dyp at balloon inn. I'm not trying to get anyone one bumped out of the rookie dyp.

Just trying to help. All the foosball forums talk about the sport dieing. Since I recently got back into it was just offering to do something I have seen work in the past.
DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#15 Posted : Monday, April 4, 2016 11:08:28 PM(UTC)
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No problem Nick, just trying to help gauge players talent, or lack there of.

TrashyTalentScout
FooserX  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 5, 2016 2:18:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AKPV22 Go to Quoted Post


I am an am FYI

Still play like a rook though.

IstillsuckAK



I meant the other Austin. Josh's Austin.

X
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FooserX  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 5, 2016 2:23:00 AM(UTC)
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Sorry Todd, I thought that was the reason you were suggesting this - to move the good rookies out of the rookie-only tournament.

I still don't see what would happen from it.

Joey, Josh, Steve, and Zack would move up locally...and then...??

How would they be more motivated to play if they couldn't play in the rookie only tourney??

Winning fuels competitive spirit, as well as drive. When people win, they come out more. By letting the good rookies play and dominate the Balloon in...it keeps them hungry for the real BYP tourney on Fridays.

Like I said - IF the scene had 20+ teams, 5 nights a week...I could see a different points system....but we just don't have that anymore.

X
"When I get to the table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy. I hate them. " - John Grizzly
What Monkeys Eat  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 5, 2016 8:04:38 AM(UTC)
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Points don't matter anymore!
Mary's point system does absolutely nothing.

If you would like you can make your own point system with categories like "ultra awesome", "hood", "wizard", and "grand dragon . But keep it to yourself.

Edited by user Tuesday, April 5, 2016 8:05:17 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

777  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 5, 2016 4:43:18 PM(UTC)
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What about Grand Wizard?
J-rod  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:19:19 PM(UTC)
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Super ultra awesome hooded grand wizard ruler of draggon nerd smasher......screw master that's the title I want
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