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Juan2  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:39:48 PM(UTC)
Juan2

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probably going to take a month off.. might still show up at tournaments
but wont play until I feel like im actually better.. im still going to practice

wish me Luck..
#YoungTeam
777  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2015 3:36:03 PM(UTC)
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I'm quitting too, until Friday.
Slice/  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2015 3:49:15 PM(UTC)
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So you guys are going to be playing in Avon then?
AKPV22  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:21:00 PM(UTC)
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Man

Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
So you guys are going to be playing in Avon then?


He's going to have so much fun if that's the case!!!!

OpenArmsAK
Never let a win go to your head, or a loss to your heart
Dubs  
#5 Posted : Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:39:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AKPV22 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
So you guys are going to be playing in Avon then?


He's going to have so much fun if that's the case!!!!

OpenArmsAK


Truf!
jediR.O.T.N.  
#6 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 8:08:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Juan2 Go to Quoted Post
probably going to take a month off.. might still show up at tournaments
but wont play until I feel like im actually better.. im still going to practice

wish me Luck..



yeah i hear ya, sometimes the game becomes stale and one needs to step back and rethink things on the table, like to figure out where you stand along the chain of players.
It becomes more like hacking away at the essentials of ones game to get a good picture of what you can and can not do. Think of it as like someone carving a statue. At first there's no form to the block of wood, clay, etc,etc. But throughout time and constant carving off the pieces that don't belong, after awhile the form of the statue starts to look like how you want it to look..

Its the same concept when practicing you own game. Add what works for you, and take away what does not work.



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Next Level  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:29:11 PM(UTC)
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Juan2,

Other than practice, are you regularly watching Inside Foos DVD's? If not, I think that could be a great addition to any practice routine you are doing. If you don't have dvd's I can lend you some.

And as for your practice, I really think the best thing for the fastest progress would be to refine your game some. You play super aggressive... probably too aggressive and 'flashy'. I'd save the 'flashy' stuff for pick-up games.

3-row:
refine your rock to just be a standard and deep pushside, middle, pullside. When you walk it around too much it can often limit how good your actual execution on the shot is. It might look and sound awesome when you tap it around loudly and then make the shot... but there's nothing awesome about turning the ball over, or taking a half-ass shot because you fiddled with the ball too much. There's a reason there are only a few players like Ryan M and Tony S that can consistently do the walking around stuff and still hit every hole perfectly.

Your recoils could use some fine tuning too. When practicing, see if you can recoil perfect deep shots, but not actually hit the bumper on the recoil. I think it would help not only to clean up your shots and make them more efficient, but it'll also be less taxing on your arm. You can get away with some big crazy recoils cuz your young and your body can take it... but doing big recoils over and over eventually wears on your arm excessively. If you have a split top table at your house, try practicing without the table being locked too. If you are lifting up on the table and the top is jumping on your shot, that will be a good thing to try to refine too so that your not lifting on your shots... again, it'll be more efficient and easier on your arm.

5-row:
The tic-tac series is pretty damn hard to master. IDK what to suggest, but something simpler, or just simpler and fewer options could be good. There's a reason there are so few guys out there that can consistently utilize a tic tac.... its hard as heck! And makes watching the opponents defense tricky while doing it, along with catching your own passes more difficult imo. Simpler, where you catch every pass that does go through would better. It won't sound as cool or look as awesome as when you do make the tic tac work... but I think it would increase your overall passing %, along with less turnovers from errors while doing the tic tac.

Other than execution, the inside foos DVDs should help for learning to play with a good demeanor. As Jim Stevens points out frequently about Tracy McMillion... he's always got "poise" and you cant tell if he's winning or losing a match from his body language... and that helps him bring his consistent product to the table every ball. He's never footstomping or being rough with the table out of frustrations... which for most people seems to make them play worse and worse.

Just my 2 cents.

Take it or leave it. Either way you have more potential than most of us and will be regularly whooping us nerds soon enough.

NLRK
FooserX  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:10:25 PM(UTC)
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Agree with everything Knapton says. Very good technical tips.

My advice:

- Stop training with anyone less than mid-expert.

- No offense to your training partners, but they are probably not strong players. They can win here and there, but you need to be playing with smart players who will find your weaknesses and exploit it over and over until you have no choice but to evolve and get better. You need to be around good foosball to get good. Bad foosers will just let you keep doing bad habits over and over again...which are REALLY hard to eliminate. Some players forever suck because their bad habits are just engrained too deep to change.

- The reason you lose a lot is because everyone is better than you and we all know your tendencies and limits. We know your strengths and your weaknesses. You aren't changing your game at all.


- And after every loss, ask your opponent why they beat you, and what you need to work on. It sucks to hear, but this is how you find out what to improve. No amount of dojo sessions or table time will tell you this.


Basic principles every fooser needs to learn:

Be able to hit every hole, unraceably, with zero tells, at any time in the count.

Passing - lane or wall.
Roller - Pullside, Middle, Pushside.

Very Simple concepts...just takes lots of discipline to get there.

X

Edited by user Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:23:37 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Dustin Gatliff  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:49:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Next Level Go to Quoted Post

5-row:
The tic-tac series is pretty damn hard to master. IDK what to suggest, but something simpler, or just simpler and fewer options could be good. There's a reason there are so few guys out there that can consistently utilize a tic tac.... its hard as heck! And makes watching the opponents defense tricky while doing it, along with catching your own passes more difficult imo. Simpler, where you catch every pass that does go through would better. It won't sound as cool or look as awesome as when you do make the tic tac work... but I think it would increase your overall passing %, along with less turnovers from errors while doing the tic tac.


Agreeing with everything Knapton said, but ESPECIALLY this part. I started winning a LOT more after I stopped being stubborn and accepted this. I still kept the same strokes and positions as I used with my tic tac series but took out 90% of the variables that made it iffy, especially going from table to table. I'm not saying you should try to adopt my series by any means (not saying not to either) but find some ways to decrease the 'fuckuppable' factor and you'll start seeing better results. That goes for every rod.

And like Scott said, playing with people who let you get away with low quality choices is only going to reinforce a playing style that doesn't win against the players you really want to beat. A good practice partner knows the gimmicky/rushed plays you keep in your back pocket, knows how to get on them, and punishes you for it until you learn to play smarter.

You're talented enough. Push through it.
777  
#10 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:27:48 AM(UTC)
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Three smart, disciplined players just handed out some terrific advice. I know why. Because you're clearly super-talented. So if you like the game, please keep at it. And quit the jarring, bending, and resetting.
DJ Trash-O-Matic  
#11 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:51:23 AM(UTC)
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Great advice Ryan,X,Dustin!

Juan Jr, another angle.

The best advice I ever got was from Dave Council.

Concentrate: Stay in the game, and never ever take your eye off of that little red ball!
No foot stomping, No head up rolling your eyes! Stare at that ball, it's yours!


He simply told me to let me hands fly, believe in my hand speed, and great results started happening!

Seriously, best partner I ever had! Great Coach! Thanks Dave!

GratefulTrashy



FooserX  
#12 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:44:49 PM(UTC)
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Another good way to improve with someone is to not play so many pick up games, but just drills.

Take turns forward shoot out for 10 minutes non stop. Then switch.

Then do 5 bar wars for 15 - 30 minutes.

These exercises force each player to adapt and focus on 1 thing instead of just trying to win. Because you're shooting on goal non-stop for 10 minutes, you'll start to make adjustments on your mental approach if you want to score.

Remember, at your level, you're not trying to win, you're trying to get better. It's okay to lose games in order to work on a weakness in your game.

X
"When I get to the table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy. I hate them. " - John Grizzly
Slice/  
#13 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:09:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FooserX Go to Quoted Post
Another good way to improve with someone is to not play so many pick up games, but just drills.

Take turns forward shoot out for 10 minutes non stop. Then switch.

Then do 5 bar wars for 15 - 30 minutes.

These exercises force each player to adapt and focus on 1 thing instead of just trying to win. Because you're shooting on goal non-stop for 10 minutes, you'll start to make adjustments on your mental approach if you want to score.

Remember, at your level, you're not trying to win, you're trying to get better. It's okay to lose games in order to work on a weakness in your game.

X


I think rooks and amateurs should set up a shot, shoot, stand there at the table for 5 minutes and then just repeat the cycle. This will more replicate the actual game time situation they will be in. For X stand there for 10 minutes.
Dubs  
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:44:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
I think rooks and amateurs should set up a shot, shoot, stand there at the table for 5 minutes and then just repeat the cycle. This will more replicate the actual game time situation they will be in. For X stand there for 10 minutes.


Well that explains how your game got to where it is..
Slice/  
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:21:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dubs Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
I think rooks and amateurs should set up a shot, shoot, stand there at the table for 5 minutes and then just repeat the cycle. This will more replicate the actual game time situation they will be in. For X stand there for 10 minutes.


Well that explains how your game got to where it is..


Yeah it was from blocking all 3 total shots that you got to take in our match at State.
777  
#16 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:48:14 PM(UTC)
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Next Level  
#17 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:33:06 PM(UTC)
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Damn. I'm starting to side with City. Beginners ruin everything!

This thread started rocking, providing excellent info on the game.. in aspects including mentally, physically, strategically, and psychologically.

And then a couple dudes showed up swinging their purses at each other and shut the whole thing down.

Uff da.

NLRK

Anyways... here's a couple vids I made years ago to help get rollers way deep to the corners. I'll organize the vids eventually to be easier to watch in the form of playlists.

Pullside rollers:

Pushside rollers:

Edited by user Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:35:29 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Big Ross  
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:14:16 PM(UTC)
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Juan2

Discipline discipline discipline.

Drill every variety of your passes 10x in a row. Don't stop till you have hit every variety 10x.
Next, same thing with 3 bar.

When you can consistently do 9/10 of each to optimal crispiness, then you bring them to the streets and try them on a moving defense.

Or if you are Ryan Knapton, do the above except 1000x.

Or do what Nick does! Show up and get smashed every week until the good players feel bad enough about beating you consistently that they will pit for you.
FooserX  
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:28:09 PM(UTC)
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As long as you're doing Loss and Knapton's advice...

Take your TIME while practicing. Milk the clock. Force yourself to be patient, and even imagine a moving defense.

And not to blow my own wad...check out my 5 bar theory tutorials. Not saying you have to have your series look like that...but you need to understand how to take things to the next level. It's chess.

X

PS - Knapton, you really need to watch my 5 bar theory too. lol Your 50/50 passing game kills me...it should be 99% with your execution. Just a couple options and you'd demolish people.

Edited by user Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:28:47 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

"When I get to the table, that person, I don't care who they are, they're my mortal enemy. I hate them. " - John Grizzly
777  
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:50:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Big Ross Go to Quoted Post


Or do what Nick does! Show up and get smashed every week until the good players feel bad enough about beating you consistently that they will pit for you.


This is actually pretty fun, and I'm looking forward to Ross pitting up for me in the near future.
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