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whozur  
#1 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:03:26 PM(UTC)
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What are your opinions about what makes for effective team play, and positive team dynamics?

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#2 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:24:38 PM(UTC)
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Angelo, Robert, Ross, Champ. Competitive, supportive. As Champ says, "Remember Rule Number One...have fun!"
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#3 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:41:42 PM(UTC)
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For me, I have good team play if...

1 - my P and I are in set positions mostly. I can't play goalie for half the night, and just come up front to get things done.

2 - If I have trust in my P. If they are getting drilled, I know it's because the other team is just playing well, not that my P isn't making adjustments.

3 - If they are positive.

4 - They can coach me at times. Sometimes I can just get stubborn and stupid, so I always tell my goalie before hand, how to reel me in when I start being dumb.

5 - I know they are a thinker...and not just a whacker.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:23:48 PM(UTC)
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I think it's important for each player to also trust their stuff. Know that it is good even if the match doesn't seem to be going well. Lord knows I can be an emotional roller coaster at times, but when I decompress I realize that I'm losing my trust. When I play pits I find that I do best with forwards that know that they belong there and don't get so down on themselves that they lose focus.

Look at Scott last night. Dustin and I blocked him really well but he kept getting the ball and shooting, and eventually they won. He didn't get down in the dumps or try to hit shots too hard or too far past the defense. He just kept playing his game and making adjustments on reads.

Also learn what motivates your partner. If they get whiny, maybe kick em in the ass a bit. If they get down cheer them up. As a goalie, pay attention to the defense that the other goalie is putting on your forward and help them read. Some times it's easier to see things from pits and when your forward hits that shot that you see is open, but they might not, you can just see their confidence switch on!
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#5 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:27:09 PM(UTC)
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I think one key aspect is believing in your partner and believing in yourself. If my goalie is back there making judgements on my decions up front, it keeps me from getting in the zone, as I too begin to second guess my own game. My focus shifts to try and appease my partner, instead of focusing on making a good shot. The momentary though right before i shoot, will my partner will be happy with my decision, delays my execution enough to shoot a moment too late and get blocked, thus solidifying my partners assessmet that I'm blowing it- a snowball effect of doom. But when I feel like my partner believes in me and what I'm doing, I am free to execute flawlessly.

As I am trying to learn the goal game, it was annoying that scott thought id tap him on the shoulder to switch when he droped a pass. He assumed I was judging him and proceeded to blow it. Really I wasn't judging his game, I was excited to play pits for a good forward. His own assumptive judgements self fullilled his own demise up there. Though I do know the feeling. I'd never play with boogie for this very reason. Not good team ship if your partner doesn't trust your abilities and decision making process.


Cliffnotes: remove assumptions and judgements (good and bad) and replace them with trust and encouragemet.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:32:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post

Also learn what motivates your partner.



I think this is huge too. Part of team play is managing your partner.

Just like in the real world, people are motivated by different things. What motivates some people, isn't what pushes others.

Some forwards, I will coach some, because I know they have the tools to win, but just might miss some of the small things going on. Others, I won't say anything to. I think I'm pretty vocal and like to pump up all my p's though from goalie. Players just play well when their P has faith in them.


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FooserX  
#7 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:37:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: whozur Go to Quoted Post
As I am trying to learn the goal game, it was annoying that scott thought id tap him on the shoulder to switch when he droped a pass. He assumed I was judging him and proceeded to blow it. Really I wasn't judging his game, I was excited to play pits for a good forward. His own assumptive judgements self fullilled his own demise up there. .


Yep - you nailed it. Self fulfilling prophecy. I guess I just thought that because it's HARD to play pits for someone when you can see they are crumbling, or things aren't going well and you can play the position better.

It goes back to what I always say - it's more important to lose trying to get better, than win and not growing. Like when Ross sucked in goal, so he put in an entire year playing nothing but pits, losing lots of weekly tourneys, but finally came out of it with a beast goalie game.


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#8 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:49:42 PM(UTC)
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Once you establish yourselves as a team then I think it's smart to shelve egos and put yourself in the best position to bring your best in each match. Tim and I did that last night. I finished up front in our match against Roger and Bruce because that was how we were playing our best in that match. We tried the same thing against Scott and Robert, but we could tell that we were both struggling. I told Tim that we were going to have to win or lose with him playing front. We lost but it still was our best overall option. My five might have been working better and his two might have been working better but his three was stronger and my goalie blocking was on last night. We had to do similar switches in the match with Dustin and CJ.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:08:25 PM(UTC)
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whozur  
#10 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:51:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 777 Go to Quoted Post
Angelo, Robert, Ross, Champ. Competitive, supportive. As Champ says, "Remember Rule Number One...have fun!"



We were talking last night about the psychology behind the effectiveness of being a supportive teammate. Would you mind sharing a few of those nuggets of wisdom?
whozur  
#11 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:14:38 PM(UTC)
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Something that ross said really clicked after lastnights 2nq. As a goalie its important to stay in it at all timrs and feed your forward when their hot, and pound shots when their not.

Whats really sinking in, is that no matter the roller coaster your forward may be on, stick with them and pick up the slack. With a lil support and encouragement, they'll come out of a lull and get back on track. I did the opposite of this last night when ross was was blowing it, by trying to jump up and bail us out. That action showed that I didn't trust what he was doing at the time, and didnt help him recover. With a positive kick in the ass and me steping up my d, maybe we could have pulled it out.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:18:25 PM(UTC)
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I truly believe that my most successful game includes some sort of je ne sais quoi...mojo. Yeah, sure...it can include luck, slop, sevens, etc. But when things are going well, I'm catching passes, I'm shooting well, I'm tilting the momentum in my favor. I'm playing with confidence. On the other hand, when I do something stupid...an ill-advised shot, a momentary lack of focus, a lack of patience...my partner has a choice. He can be quiet, he can nod his head and say or insinuate "Yep, that's okay...let's move on and learn from that." Or he can give bad body language, shake his head, say something negative...do something to mess with my mojo. I think we all play better when we're confident and loose. The trick is staying loose while maintaining focus...not gripping the handles too tightly...having fun.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:25:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FooserX Go to Quoted Post


I guess I just thought that because it's HARD to play pits for someone when you can see they are crumbling, or things aren't going well.


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Lol it is extemely hard! I experienced that last night, which makes me not want to put another goalie through it ever again!

Dayum lol! That reminds me when JT carried me through an entire event at Ohio State to win ex dubs. It must have been so agrivating standing behind me as I insisted on shooting a dink series I picked up from Surecanbock the previous friday at Ecks.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:01:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: whozur Go to Quoted Post
It must have been so agrivating standing behind me as I insisted on shooting a dink series I picked up from Surecanbock the previous friday at Ecks.


Haha....that reminds me of when Moose asks people to play sometimes. They get all amped up because Moose will take anyone to the end, but then he'll shoot Moose dot, or decide to work a slingshot series for the night without letting his P know beforehand.


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whozur  
#15 Posted : Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:19:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 777 Go to Quoted Post



when things are going well, I'm catching passes, I'm shooting well, I'm tilting the momentum in my favor. I'm playing with confidence.

I think we all play better when we're confident and loose. The trick is staying loose while maintaining focus..


I completely agree that we are all susceptable to the moods actions and attitudes of our partners, our apponents, as well as with anyone we interact with from day to day. So we have a choice. Do you treat others positively or negatively, and can you choose a positive outlook regardless of anothers negative influence? The dcipline of the ladder plus a humble attitude will help to produce a sound mind, free of judgements and expectarions.



More oinions please:

How do you feel you can control the momentum to your favor?

What builds your confidence and how do you stay loose and stay focused?
FooserX  
#16 Posted : Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:22:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 777 Go to Quoted Post
Or he can give bad body language, shake his head, say something negative...do something to mess with my mojo. I think we all play better when we're confident and loose. The trick is staying loose while maintaining focus...not gripping the handles too tightly...having fun.


Yeah, I'm horrible at body language when I'm frustrated with my P. Just ask any of my P's.

But that's usually after 4 or 5 bad plays in a game. That's why it is probably not the best idea to play a meaningful event with someone that's going to frustrate you. You have to like/respect the other person's game.

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#17 Posted : Sunday, December 15, 2013 2:55:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: whozur Go to Quoted Post
What are your opinions about what makes for effective team play, and positive team dynamics?




Well mister who, this next statement refers to your question about" "effective team play", and SINGLES.

First rule of thumb, dont engage in any verbal conflict with your opponent.
Some players are very talkative during play, trying to off set your game. Their words alone can cause you to respond back.Then they respond to what you said. Then before you know it, the game becomes a verbal battle OFF THE TABLE.

Example: The back and fourth comments between you and Daniel was unnecessary on your part. Think about this for a moment! What do you think that did to my on the spot momentum that we needed to close the match? 2) Did any of what anybody said change anything? 3) Did it make you play harder with inner calmness, or did it make you more aggressively aggravated?
Now because the jabbing shit talk is now on our plate. It became an added obstruction that we didnt need. That is why I totally walked way from the table untill you two were done. And it had nothing to do with what I was doing on the table.. So if you find yourself getting sucked into having a match off the table. Then I suggest you start wearing ear phones during play.. and this also stops the opponent from directly talking to you, because you cant hear them directly.

DO YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD SAY ANY COMMENTS TO SOMEONE THEY ARE PLAYING AGAINST IF THE PLAYER WAS DEAF?

The only time I rebuttal over the table is on a penalty call.


jedi

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#18 Posted : Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:42:24 AM(UTC)
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I think that we should put a big ass sponge on the shoes of the players who stomp their feet while the ball is in play. :)

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whozur  
#19 Posted : Sunday, December 15, 2013 4:58:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jediR.O.T.N. Go to Quoted Post



The only time I rebuttal over the table is on a penalty call.


jedi


Daniel can talk all he wants on his side of the table when the balls not in play, but as soon as he talks shit directly to me, that becomes unsportsman like conduct- which is a penalty.

I do appoligize for taking you out of the zone and loosing the match for us.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:08:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DJ Trash-O-Matic Go to Quoted Post
I think that we should put a big ass sponge on the shoes of the players who stomp their feet while the ball is in play. :)

Trashytippytoe




Well I know you had me in mind within your statement. Yeah I stomp my left foot at times during some matches. I resort to that as an inner frustration factor
when the moment of tension is highest during any given ball, that at a certain moment when a noticeable part of the game becomes dysfunctional, like dropping passes to many times than you care to, or a series of shots that are missed enough times where that last final time was the last straw of missing 5 in a row..
This Stomping force to the floor, becomes a self wake-up bell
Its a self snap at a moment when something in a game needs to change. Three mental mind sets happen at once at a moment of a stomp.1) That exact moment everything in the past of that moment is voided out of my thoughts. And the second after that inner mind wake-up bell, The mind set becomes stronger, and more along the lines of" The eye of the tiger" And for the most part, I mentally black out in a game or match along with the mind instinctively taking over and I reach a higher plato with what the necessary needed necessities to end a game or match.

I dont intend to distract my opponent, but it distracts me out of the losing mode of the game that is working against me. And wakes me the fuck up out of that kind of mode that if and when certain adjustments dont happen then I more times than not end up losing the match.

Its my inner emotional minded self , calling outward to my mensurative phyical self..

So...how many players are foot stompper's



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